However, they both have a few features worth mentioning that set them apart. Firearms are by and large back in stock (well up here at least) but good luck finding ammo that is not mid to higher end premium self defense. He is interested in helping folks protect themselves with firearms and shoot better at the range. It isnt that horrible WWII symbol and Im not feeling particularly inclined to censor my work in the off chance some asshole thinks they can and should twist a sick narrative around the picture because they feel like I should be insulted by it. Id put it head-to-head with a GLOCK 19, for instance, and I expect most shooters would outperform on speed and accuracy with the Shield Plus. The pull is considerably heavier than the P365 but far from bad. What you do notice is more muzzle flip than the other guns. Taurus has really upped their game and is only slightly less of a gun then a couple in the comparison. The tapered shape of the Shield Plus grip as it transitions from rounded palm swells down to a somewhat sharply rounded or tapered backstrap sets it apart in this group. One of the biggest issues with the XD series is that ridiculous grip safety. I did like the Ruger also. Per the Max 9 review, do I need a rail tie to disassemble any of these or just the Ruger? Since this article came out the Shield Plus can be purchased optics ready and the OR version comes factory with night sights. It comes with two magazines, one with an 11-round capacity and one with a 13-round capacity. Sigs P365 features a broader magazine release, but the Hellcat is taller. I carry my Micro 9 w/ a 7 round mag in it and have a back up 8 round mag in my left front pocket. mag (have 3 of them) thus a longer grip. And I didnt see the allegedly evil image until some of you pointed it out.. It ships with both an 11-round flush fit magazine and a 13-round magazine. Just out of curiosity, I took my 938 and my Springfield Hellcat out to the range for a comparison shoot at 25 yards. On the other hand, the Hellcats sights are both larger and taller which makes them obscure the target a little more. Loading that 10 shot mag is no worse than the 6 shot 938 mag which is a direct result of both guns having shorter barrels, higher cyclic speeds, and a very short window to lift the ammo up and prevent an override. The OG P365 is good, but the newer models are better. Love a smooth DAO. Hellcat: Standard model with a 3-inch barrel and 11-round flush-fitting magazine. This makes it easy to grip the slide and work it at a variety of angles. On paper, hardly a difference. The stereotype of Taurus semi-autos being junk is just that, a stereotype. To align the notch I just pressed the slide against the benchtop with one hand and then pushed the pin out with an opened-up cotter pin in the other hand. Mine had a 5-pull average pull weight of 7.5lbs. The Hellcat has a polymer frame and a stainless steel slide, and it comes with tritium night sights. Yep, the adversary is already likely a crook, and probably got into somebodys ammo cache at his last home hit. Pro Mags Work In These Guns. Big fingers, and they kept hitting the bottom of the curve. And I know it exists, because I have one. It just gets messed up while carving it in your forehead looking in a mirror . I compared the 365 to the hellcat at gun store. As we get older we see these for what they are, a short lived fashion accessory. though a terrible value proposition next to any of these. The Hellcat has a capacity of 11+1 rounds of 9mm Luger. If these were normal times the price difference alone makes them far better guns for the price. As pointed out in other comments below, if you compare it to the hateful symbol the arms of this pistol arrangement point the wrong direction, it isnt canted 45 degrees, etc etc. The first trip to the range was the real eye opener. Sights are great and allowed us to shoot rapidly and accurately. I purchased the Hellcat OSP. Got it on sale for a little under $700 with the red dot included. They then proceeded to do the same thing with the OK symbol. So, which models are we comparing? They all have great triggers, great sights (or at least the option of great sights), optics cuts (or the option for that), and double-digit capacities. P365XL manual safety is my EDC. For me? Ive always considered my personal EDC since 2018, my P365 seen in these photos, to be a highly controllable gun and dang do I shoot the thing quickly and accurately, but without a doubt it has the most felt recoil and muzzle flip of the guns in this quadfecta. Its just too square for me. This week the same retailer had the Shield Plus for $356 so now I own both. I usually buy one box of my preferred carry ammo, Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P, a month to cycle, on top of handloaded target rounds, but since Sept. 2020, Im just running target ammo. Of course, the standard Hellcat is available for $30 less. What we might want is a review compared to the previous generation of hotness say, P365 vs P938. I suspect a lot of other previously praised small 9s will have the same problems in their respective makers lineups once this panic is over. This is likely due to Rugers rotary sear, which gives the trigger a smooth, rolling break that lacks the more typical feel of take-up followed by a firm wall.. My P11 is piss poor when it comes to accuracy, and very picky with ammunition. Snappy little sucker. You didnt test the best configuration in that class, which is a Sig P365Lwhich is the normal P365 with a simple grip module swap from the 12 XL round size. The PF9 is a lower capacity single stack pistol. Grip texture on the MAX-9 is the most love handle-friendly. Kel-Tec pistols are generally ok, but Sig, S&W, Springfield, and Ruger are generally better. Dan and Jeremy could ask for recommendations, pick the top 40, and do a 10 article series. There is a CZ micro I would like to try but of all the ones I mentioned, none is as well made, none feels as good as my P365 though the HK has a softer recoil. If you choose one or the other, you wont have any issues finding holsters. I appreciate the windows on each side of the bottom of the grip frame, which allow a jammed magazine to be stripped out more easily. good after a fluff and buff on the reliability front, and accurate. As far as sub versus micro, the G2 has a 3 barrel, similar to the guns in the article, but holds 12+1. Youre an equal. I carry the Ruger LC9s daily when walking the dog, or off to town. And the Shield Plus weighs two ounces more. Its noticeable and its worth mentioning when these pistols are specifically designed to be as skinny, short, and lightweight as they can be. There are a few things to consider when deciding whether to purchase a Hellcat or a SIG P365. I have three of the Nanos and one now has 14,000 rds down range. This is an interesting article on that very thing: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29644591. Next is the Ruger MAX-9, which is only very slightly less flippy than the P365, then theres a jump to the Springfield Hellcat, which is noticeably softer, and then another solid leap to the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus, which shoots like a well-tuned compact, not a sub-compact or micro-compact. Style has a place and this newer gun at least looks more duty grade with no obtrusive committee think or Grip Zone molded into it. Conclusion Privacy | However, you do get the still 3-dot contrast sights. Dispite my safe full of pistols, many of which are CC pistols, I carry almost exclusively either a 40 or 45 performance center shield for the simple reason I can shoot well with them both and from the morning until it is time to take the weapon off I never ever feel it is out of place or not comfortable. Copyright @2023 TigerDroppings.com. As many of yall know, Im Jewish. They are quick to align and rapid on target. Its the skinniest gun of the group with the second smallest grip circumference, but its taller than the SIG and Springfield, which pair very closely on height and then the Ruger and S&W pair closely at about a third of an inch taller. If you are looking for a concealed carry weapon, the SIG P365 is a great option. Even with the 15 rd. In fact, perhaps its too good? If youre OK with the price range of Wilson, its a great pistol. I have been stuck on which should one should i get to replace my glock 19 G5 as my carry gun I have held both guns (although i have never shot) & just really been gathering info and watching reviews. There are dynamic reasons why chopping 1911s creates problems, and now we see it happening when we chop 9mms. I find myself carrying the P365 the most. clean as the P365 to me. P365SAS: Standard-sized model with every corner and protrusion melted, including the sights. Its one of the most open, libertarian-minded groups of people in the country and we welcome everyone who wants to exercise their 2A rights. Its probably no surprise that when we tried all four of these new little guys at the LGS a few weeks ago handling, but not shooting we both preferred the Hellcat for how it felt in the hand and its general ergonomics. Their offerings range from the AR-pattern SAINT rifles and pistols through to their M1A family. Im set concealed & sub compact. Sigs texture isnt bad, and the gun stays put. I expect that will change once the new wears off. The simple truth is the Hellcat fit my wifes hands beautifully. The same goes for the MAX-9s slide catch, which is gated by a polymer ridge that makes it difficult to engage manually. It really depends on what you are looking for in a sub-ohm tank. Dan swapped an Apex trigger into this Hellcat, which improved its trigger in all ways (obviously) but its fair to say that the Hellcat ships from Springfield with an extremely competitive trigger pull quality to begin with. I want a clean, small gun that I can conceal, fire accurately, and not have to worry about things going wrong in the heat of the moment. The Kimber Micro 9 is a great gun but the trigger on it from the factory is atrocious. You can grip tight, and the gun wont move. RDB and KSG. It is small and easy to conceal, and it has the features that make it a good choice for self-defense. The ratchet just keeps tightening, and Im not sure how long this can go on before theres catastrophic breakage (hopefully it only breaks their gears and not the whole structure theyre cranking on). The firearm community is NOT what the anti-gun or woke people want to say it is. I got the two 10 rounders with it and also bought a 12 for the carried reload. Somewhere a writer for the Daily Beast is sh*ting its pants in excitement as they frantically calling every single other far-left rag about that arrangement of pistols in the top of the article. While S&W officially states the Shield Plus width, exclusive of the controls, as 0.94 inches I must disagree. However, it does come with a few more features, such as a higher capacity magazine and night sights. Great review. I like being able to use a full size magazine as a back up. You'll now receive newsletters of our best articles on techniques, All in all I think I would rather have the Walther PPQ sub compact or even the M&P sub compact. Strangely, all problems with all the duds were out of the box. Its a Tibetan good luck symbol. Heck of a deal. Chances anyone trying to weave that story isnt actually among the group who was most affected by that symbol as I am. The P365 SAS is all about being low profile with the flush-mount FT Bullseye sight, while the Hellcat OSP sacrifices a bit of concealment ease with dual sighting optionsthe iron sights and miniature reflex sight. The smaller the gun, the easier it is to conceal. Ignore the previous comment, Im a dumbass and you did mention it. Ultimately, I came close. Exactly! With little exception theyre the same just buy what is the MOST EXPENSIVE to ensure that you have bragging rights. Youll be much happier as it earned a well-deserved 5 stars. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXldafIl5DQ keep em coming. Its about like using a 19 mag in a 26. The Hellcat is a very small gun, making it a good choice for concealed carry. The Sig P938 vs Hellcat debate has been raging for years. The SIG trigger though doesnt compare to my Walther PPQ. This makes it a good choice for those who want a sub-ohm tank that is easier to carry around. This is where mistakes are made with the 1911 a subcompact .45ACP with short slide and higher cycling speeds using a standard 1911 mag means issues. I preferred the long slide on the shorter grip, small to carry but shot better with more barrel. Hey guys, I'm in the market for a micro 9mm for possibly pocket carry and am trying to decide what to get. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. The only gun missing in the comparison is the G43xMOS, which is really good. To summarize that, I sold the P938. Actually, Biff, I am. Hellcat mags are listed at 28.95 x 10 magazines = $290 All the problems have been fixed at this point. They just just came out with the Shield Plus that has a 13+1 capacity. Theres no question whatsoever that Rugers new MAX-9 represents the best value of the pack. It also has a shorter trigger pull, making it easier to shoot. I have the Max 9, and have had 365s in the past. The clip holds six rounds, and you can get another round in the chamber for the traditional 6+1 setup. 187 Overall By The New England Patriots, LSUs Jarrick Bernard-Converse Drafted No. It really depends on your individual needs and preferences. I have a slight preference for the Sig 365 over the Hellcat, but I run Sigs in competition and have been carrying a 365 since just after Shot 2018. . Really not that hard. How are these for emergency reloads? Out of the 4, only the Sig is modular, which puts it in a class by itself. It also has a nice trigger and is very accurate. I have shot the Sig and it is very popular at the range. Both are small, lightweight guns that are easy to carry and conceal. OVERALL LENGTH: 6.0 in. Funny thing. How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? It just feels so perfect in the hand. I also have a P320 compact and do not discern that much of a difference, especially with a more than double price tag compared to the G2. That means you get to swap grip units smaller or larger as you like with SIGs supplies, and as time goes by, with aftermarket grip units just like the 320. (unloaded) GRIPS: Piranha G10 with Medallion SIGHTS: 3-Dot, Siglite Night Sights FINISH: FDE CAPACITY: 6+1, Single-Stack Magazine SIG P938 Scorpion $599.97 Cabelas.com Some at the end like the 365 would actually Hurt my hand and I could really feel it. Frankly, if I made a pistol like this (and didnt care about lefties) Id design the left side of the grip to be extra comfortable and the back, front, and right side to be extra grippy. My grandfather fought in WWII (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/my-grandfathers-1943-union-switch-signal-m1911a1/). Just so happens that theyre very good guns and I think the problems at release were overblown in terms of how pervasive they were. I like the LC9S with the slim design and like the grip. The backstrap, as sharply rounded as it is, isnt as comfortable as the backstrap of the P365 as it focuses its force in a more distinct vertical line across my palm, but I love how functional it is. I would go with a Glock, Sig, or Walther single stack striker fired. He got lucky and got one about a month ago. I refuse to run away from pinwheels, directional alloy wheels, window panes, and fair & balanced photography for a head to head to head to head comparison. So I was shocked to find one on sale for $427 and decided it was too good a deal to pass up. The grip is smooth in the nicely-shaped trigger guard undercut and the underside of the beavertail, which is the correct choice in both cases, and textured elsewhere. I could have gotten one for well under MSRP, that also tells me something. The rear sight is a black sight with a white U, and its very Hackathorn style. Heres a look at some of the key differences between the Springfield 911 and the Sig P938: But theyre just fine. Theyre one of the worse far-left rags sites when it comes to just taking some random thing theyve seen and inventing whole narratives. Its the sharpest and most aggressive of these four pistols, though. P365XL: SIG Stretched the gun to accommodate a 3.7-inch barrel and a slightly longer grip. The P290 with double action only, and the P938 with the single action only and external safety. Taurus G2 and G3 arent micro-compacts. Been seriouly considering buying the 365 simply because I do not have it. As the first challenger to the P365, though, Springfield clearly wanted to undercut the SIGs MSRP and the non-optics-cut base model allowed em to do that by $10. This means that the Springfield 911 can be fired without cocking the hammer, while the Sig P938 must be cocked before each shot. This model uses a 3-inch barrel topped with a compensator and is optic-ready. I like the Hellcat, but I like the P365 a little more. Hellcat stays a little ahead until you get to the 15-round magazines. More or less, the Sig P365 has a decocker or manual safety that makes it secured. If youre looking for a larger gun thats more comfortable to carry, the Hellcat is the better option. The article once read mentions the different models, not including the one your talking about. Go on YouTube and type that in. The only gun we did not test was the Max9. There are pros and cons to both options and it really depends on what you are looking for in a sub-ohm tank. At their price point, why not? Obviously, the Hellcat has caught my eye. I had been carrying a Smith and Wesson 640 pro, Bodyguard 380, and Diamondback Db9 gen4 before that. But it was light on the wallet, and light on the hip. 1 more deal from grabagun.com 469.99 View Deal Springfield Armory Hellcat Micro-Compact Osp Or 1 more deal from guns.com 499.99 View Deal Apex Tactical has a great trigger kit for the Hellcat. Pick the type action you want. Good review. Following all safety best practices related to holster choice, holstering, and use it obviously wont present any sort of issue, but its undoubtedly a deviation from the norm for a self-defense gun without a manual safety (though a thumb safety is an option). Its a good shooting gun, too. Getting sight focus with either isnt tough to do and getting lead on target quickly isnt tough to do either. The P938 from Sig Sauer is chambered for 9mm Luger ammunition. I know on paper it's tiny, and its impressive it holds 10 rounds, but its like a small brick sitting on a slab of plastic to me. All the mags come with the necessary equipment. I have several great pistols now out of production because better designs are out there. Like oddball ammo loads, as things return to a newer normal a lot of small lot manufacturing will hit the wayside while makers attempt to completely supply the bigger sellers. level 1. You should be comparing the Hellcat to those. I have a few thousand rounds through mine, Wayner has 15k through his gun (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/sig-sauer-p365-15000-rounds-later/), Boch has been shooting his since 2018 (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-sig-sauer-p365-micro-compact-9mm-pistol/)all of these were super early in production and have never had a hitch. It weighs just under a pound, making it a very lightweight and easy to carry option. While the cost of additional magazines and every other sort of accessory IS definitely relevant and I agree it would have been something worth mentioning in my article, your premise that its a necessary expense that must be factored in is incorrect for the vast majority of consumers, and the suggestion that among the fraction of owners who do buy an extra mag(s) that they buy 10 of them is grossly exaggerated.

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